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  1. theinternetftw revised this gist May 20, 2018. 1 changed file with 51 additions and 51 deletions.
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    @@ -18,8 +18,8 @@ going to touch every form of wood that I can find, we're on track to be double o
    of last year, which was a record launch rate for us, and effectively Falcon 9 was the most
    launched rocket worldwide of 2017. And if things go well, which is a big caveat, then SpaceX
    will launch more rockets than any other country in 2018. And to date, we've done 55 missions
    to orbit. We've completed 55 successful missions to orbit. 52 were Falcon 9. One was Heavy.
    And two were Falcon 1. We've been able to land 24 of the first stage boosters. 11 on land.
    to orbit. We've completed 55 successful missions to orbit. 52 with Falcon 9. One with Heavy.
    And two with Falcon 1. We've been able to land 24 of the first stage boosters. 11 on land.
    13 on a drone ship. And we've re-flown 11. Now, we've only tried to land first stage boosters
    somewhat late into the program, but it's about a 50% success rate. But once we started landing
    them, the success rate sort of went to 90%. And in recent times, except for the center core
    @@ -54,9 +54,9 @@ least a hundred flights before being retired. Maybe more.
    But we think it's made somewhat moot because it'll be superseded by BFR at that point. Our goal,
    just to give you a sense of how reusable we think the design can be, we intend to demonstrate
    two orbital launches of the same Block 5 vehicle within 24 hours no later than next year. So
    it's going to take some amount of time, we're going to be very careful and deliberate about
    it's going to take some refinement, we're going to be very careful and deliberate about
    this, but that will be I think truly remarkable, to launch an orbit-class rocket, the same
    orbital-class rocket twice in one day. Because there's only so much work you could even
    orbital-class rocket twice in one day. Because there's really only so much work you could even
    do in one day, and a bunch of it consists of transporting the rocket from its landing site back
    to the launch site, mounting a new satellite on the rocket, and loading propellant, and going.
    And doing all of that within a 24 hour period while maintaining a very high level of mission
    @@ -78,20 +78,20 @@ well as some small increases in specific impulse of a few seconds. So both the e
    the engine and the thrust of the engine have increased. While not increasing, we haven't made
    any material change to the mass of the engine. So the thrust-to-weight of the engine is getting
    clearly incredible at this point. It was already the highest thrust-to-weight engine in the
    world and now it's got even... So. The vacuum version of Merlin increased in thrust by about
    world and now it's got even... So. The vacuum version of Merlin increased in thrust by
    5%, to 210,000 pounds-force. Sorry, to 220,000 pounds-force. But we will be de-throttling this
    engine on this first flight, to assess the vibration increase in the environment, so it will
    engine on the first flight, to assess the vibration increase in the environment, so it will
    currently be operating at its old thrust level. Just throttling down, essentially. It's a new
    engine operating at 5% below its rated thrust. So we'll be operating it at 210,000 pounds of
    thrust. But that's something we expect to increase by 5%, maybe 10% down the road. We are,
    again, very careful about the level of expansion of the thrust of the engines.
    again, very careful about envelope expansion of the thrust of the engines.

    I will say, we have a new thermal protection technology. If you look, aesthetically, at the
    black interstage, that is, the structure that joins the upper and lower stage, as well as
    the raceways and landing legs, they all use a new thermal protection material we developed at
    SpaceX, which is intended to be highly reusable, and does not require paint. It's considerably
    hydrophobic and does not trap water. It's really quite a challenging thing to do, to make
    something, essentially is [environment proof?] but does not require paint. And I actually
    something, essentially is [environmental-proof?] but does not require paint. And I actually
    like the aesthetics of it more. In fact if you look back at the old Falcon 1 rocket, I really
    liked having the black interstage, because of the interstage being made of carbon fiber. And I
    think it added a different aesthetic to the rocket. Obviously aesthetics are a minor factor in
    @@ -101,12 +101,12 @@ a black interstage.
    And we have the octaweb, which is the primary load-bearing structure at the bottom of the
    rocket that is essentially the engine bay. That is what carries the load of the nine engines
    in the base, as well as what protects each of the nine engines from the others. So if one of
    the engines were to go awry, in principle each will be in a protective bay, and a failure of
    the engines were to go awry, in principle each one is in a protective bay, and a failure of
    an engine on the boost stage would not affect the success of the mission. In theory. Again,
    I don't want to tempt fate. But this is a much stronger octaweb structure. It's made of a much
    higher strength of bolted aluminum. A 7000 series instead of a 2000 series. So the strength of
    the octaweb is dramatically greater. It also has quite a bit of thermal protection in case
    there's say, an engine fire, or something like that. Such that it does not melt the octaweb.
    the octaweb is dramatically greater. It also has quite a bit of thermal protection on the inside
    in case there's say, an engine fire, or something like that. Such that it does not melt the octaweb.

    The landing legs, you'll notice if you look carefully that there are no outward scallops on
    the perimeter of the landing leg, which were used to clamp down the leg during ascent. We have
    @@ -128,8 +128,8 @@ this is interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions yo
    as well, following this. Within the bounds of ITAR constraints. But the redesigned base heat
    shield, it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a
    high-temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also be
    somewhat actively cooled with water. So we're finding that some things are really just, during
    the very high-energy phases of re-entry, ascent does not require them, but during the high-energy
    in some parts actively cooled with water. So we're finding that some things you really just, during
    the very high-speed phases of re-entry, ascent is not a problem, but during the high-speed
    phases of re-entry, where you have a hypersonic shock-shock impingement, it generates a very
    hot spot, and you kind of have to use a high-melting point material, a high-temperature
    material, plus active water cooling in certain places on the base of the heat shield.
    @@ -141,7 +141,7 @@ better, more advanced. Better in every way. And also more fault-tolerant. So it
    a much greater array of faults than the old avionics system.

    This will also be carrying Fairing 2. And although we've flown Fairing 2 before, the thing
    that's [cute?] about Fairing 2 is that it's designed for full recoverability. Ironically, we
    that's huge about Fairing 2 is that it's designed for full recoverability. Ironically, we
    will not attempt full recoverability on this flight, but we are confident about doing that on
    future flights, and confident that the fairing reuse will be effective. Which is a big deal
    because each one of those fairings costs about six million dollars to build and represents
    @@ -151,14 +151,14 @@ And I suspect you're probably going to ask me about a reusable upper stage. The
    we're doing in the upcoming flights is gathering data about the re-entry experience of the
    upper stage. Previously we've not put a lot of effort into gathering data on the upper stage
    after it does its disposal burn. So we're required to do a disposal burn and have the stage
    re-enter and break up in an unpopulated area in the Pacific. And we've not really monitored
    at what altitude the stage breaks up, and under what conditions. So we're going to learn more
    and more about that in the upcoming flights. Because we're going to put effort into learning
    that. Which is tricky, because when it comes in, it's coming like a meteor. So it's got this
    sort of like, ball of plasma, and you can actually only broadcast sort of like, diagonally
    backwards. So we'll be looking to communicate with, probably the Iridium constellation, and
    try to transmit basic data about temperature, basic health of the stage, [lock in?] altitude.
    And then gradually over the course of this year, we'll be adding more and more thermal
    re-enter and break up in an unpopulated area in the Pacific. And we've not really monitored in
    detail at what altitude and speed the stage breaks up, and under what conditions. So we're going
    to learn more and more about that in the upcoming flights. Because we're going to put effort into
    learning that. Which is tricky, because when it comes in, it's coming like a meteor. So it's got
    this sort of like, ball of plasma, and you can actually only broadcast sort of like, diagonally
    backwards and up. So we'll be looking to communicate with, probably the Iridium constellation,
    and try to transmit basic data about temperature, basic health of the stage, velocity and
    altitude. And then gradually over the course of this year, we'll be adding more and more thermal
    protection to the upper stage, and try to see what's the least amount of mass necessary to
    return the upper stage in a condition that is reusable. And actually I'm quite confident that
    we'll be able to achieve full reusability of the upper stage. In fact, I'm certain we can
    @@ -171,11 +171,11 @@ be inert on the ascent phase, and then take action on the entry phase.

    But that'll be very exciting if we can. We achieved the primary boost stage, that's like, half
    the cost of the rocket. On the order of that. [To be technically safe?], the marginal cost of
    launch, the boost stage is probably close to 60% of the cost. The upper stage is about 20% of
    launch, the boost stage is probably closer to 60% of the cost. The upper stage is about 20% of
    the cost. Fairing is about 10%, and then about 10% which is associated with the launch itself.
    So if we're able to reuse all elements of the rocket, first of all, it'd be the first ever
    fully-reused orbital vehicle of any kind. And then we'd be able to reduce the cost for launch
    by an order of magnitude. And as our launch rate increases, we can further optimize the launch
    fully-reused orbital vehicle of any kind. And then we'd be able to reduce the cost per launch
    by an order of magnitude. And as our launch rate increases, we can further optimize the per-launch
    costs. Because the propellant only costs about $300,000 or so per launch. So that's really a
    tiny, tiny number. Maybe $400,000 depending on how you count it. So if we're able to reduce the
    cost of operations, the fixed cost and whatnot, then we could really, even with the Falcon 9,
    @@ -211,10 +211,10 @@ between flights, I'm trying to get a grip on what that actually means. You don't
    inspect turbines or anything like that? And do all these upgrades do anything to the cost of
    your rocket? Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, yeah, great. I'm sorry, your line is not coming through [???] as me, but
    we expect there to be literally no action taken. No unnecessary action taken between flights.
    So just like an aircraft. It's a case of, you know, we do need to basically take the rocket
    from its landing pad, rotate it horizontal, stow the legs. Take it to the launch pad, attach
    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, yeah, yeah, correct. I'm sorry, for some reason your line is not coming through
    very clearly to me. But we expect there to be literally no action taken. No unnecessary action taken
    between flights. So just like an aircraft. It's a case of, you know, we do need to basically take the
    rocket from its landing pad, rotate it horizontal, stow the legs. Take it to the launch pad, attach
    an upper stage, attach a fairing with a payload. Then transport it out the launch pad, rotate
    it vertically, load propellant, and fly. And in principle, that is literally all that's
    necessary.
    @@ -246,7 +246,7 @@ How soon are we going to get to a third flight of a Block 5?
    apart and confirming our design assumptions to be confident that it is indeed able to be reused
    without being taken apart. Ironically, we need to take it apart to confirm that it does not
    need to be taken apart. Hehe. Um. So this rocket probably won't re-fly for probably a couple of
    months. Eventually, by...late this year, we should be seeing substantial re-flights of Block 5
    months. Essentially, by...late this year, we should be seeing substantial re-flights of Block 5
    vehicles, probably with some Block 5 boosters, it being their third, maybe their fourth
    re-flight. And once you get to next year, toward the end of next year we'll see the first Block
    5s seeing their 10th flight. And like I said, next year is when we intend to demonstrate
    @@ -264,15 +264,15 @@ also when can we see Block 5 fly a Crew Dragon for the first time?

    **Elon Musk:** Man. There are 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of requirements. Many of them are so
    esoteric it's difficult for even experienced rocket people to know what I'm talking about. So think
    of, so a human-rated rocket has to have high-end margins of safety in the structural --
    of, so a human-rated rocket has to have higher margins of safety in the structural --
    [audio cut for 4s] -- vehicle, like a typical rule of thumb would be, for launching a satellite,
    you need to design the rocket to 25% margins, like essentially, take your worst-case flight load,
    worst possible scenario that the rocket would encounter, and then add 25% to that, the rocket has
    to be designed 25% above the worst-case load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a human-rated
    launcher, it has to be designed to 40% of the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25, and those
    15 points are really difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult.
    to be designed 25% above the worst-case expected load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a
    human-rated launcher, it has to be designed to 40% above the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25,
    and those 15 points are really difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult.
    That's hardcore stuff. Approaching the limits of physics here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still obtain orbit. And the
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still [obtain?] orbit. And the
    Falcon 9 boost stage has an advantage with the redundant engines. You could lose any one of the
    engines at any times and still complete the mission. And actually, depending on where you are
    in flight, you could even lose two or three engines and still complete the mission. That's
    @@ -286,7 +286,7 @@ overwrapped pressure vessels is more than twice what they're actually loaded to
    these are substantially improved, what we call COPVs. Composite overwrapped pressure vessels
    containing high-pressure helium and nitrogen immersed in the fuel and oxygen tanks. And those,
    man, we have tested the living daylights out of those things, seventeen ways to Sunday. Because
    obviously we had that failure a few years ago and want to make sure that it's extremely robust.
    obviously we had that failure two years ago and want to make sure that it's extremely robust.
    The list goes on. Like I said, we feel really confident, and our customers, our most conservative
    customers and partners, the Air Force and NASA, also feel good about the design intent of
    this rocket. But I really don't want to tempt fate, because there's a lot of new things in this
    @@ -322,22 +322,22 @@ and Mars, and ultimately even on the outer planets. To really expand the scope a
    consciousness, and make sure that in the hopefully unlikely event of something happening here
    on Earth that the light of consciousness is not extinguished. Which is I think an extremely
    important thing to secure. I mean it's not going to matter to me, I'll be long dead, nor is
    it any kind of picnic to go out there and establish self-sustaining bases on places not on
    Earth. It's dangerous. People are going to die. It's going to be difficult. Very few people
    it any kind of picnic to go out there and establish self-sustaining bases on places [not on
    Earth?]. It's dangerous. People are going to die. It's going to be difficult. Very few people
    will want to take on this dangerous hard work. But I think it's important for the future of
    humanity, and for also preserving life as we know it on Earth. Because we are life's agency,
    and have some responsibility, as life's agency. That's just my opinion. So, from our standpoint
    it was really critical to keep advancing rocket technology and achieve full and rapid
    reusability, in the absence of which spaceflight would always be too expensive. As you've
    reusability, in the absence of which spaceflight would always be far too expensive. As you've
    probably heard me say, if aircraft were not reusable and you needed a new one for every flight,
    then each ticket would cost millions of dollars, at least. One way. You'd need two for a
    two-way trip. And almost no one would be able to afford to fly. And that's the situation we're
    in with expendable rockets today. And what happens once you achieve reusability, then tickets
    two-way trip. And almost no one would be able to afford to fly. And that's the situation
    with expendable rockets today. And what happens once you achieve reusability, then tickets
    can go from a million dollars, to a few thousand dollars, or a few hundred dollars for short
    trips. And then fundamentally spaceflight will be open to almost anyone, just as air flight is.
    And so that's why we did all this. We could have stopped innovating a long time ago and still
    had a very high market share, a majority share of the world commercial launch market. But that
    wouldn't have [fit within?] our philosophical goal.
    wouldn't have fit with our philosophical goal.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Brendan Byrne of WMFE. Please
    go ahead, your line is open.
    @@ -351,9 +351,9 @@ and then a smaller number at Vandenberg because -- [audio cut for 3s] -- [80%?]
    launches are likely to be out at the Cape and maybe 25% out at Vandenberg -- [audio cut for 3s] --
    of vehicles at Vandenberg and the Cape. Our South Texas launch site will be dedicated to
    BFR, because we get enough capacity with two launch complexes at Cape Canaveral and one at
    Vandenberg to handle all of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy missions. But yeah, if it's going
    to hold up, we'll have a space [fleet?], which is pretty exciting, the idea of having a
    [space fleet of rockets?].
    Vandenberg to handle all of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy missions. But yeah, it's just
    going to build up, we'll have a space fleet, which is pretty exciting, the idea of having a
    space fleet of rockets.

    **Brendan Byrne, NPR:** I'm sorry, you broke up just at the start there. How many do you
    expect to have in the rotation?
    @@ -389,12 +389,12 @@ constellation. So we do expect to see a steady reduction in prices, and we alrea
    prices from where they were, from about $60 million to about $50 million for a re-flown
    booster. That's by far the most competitive price in the world for a Falcon 9 class vehicle.
    And it's kind of cool, we're seeing a response from other organizations, Russia, Europe, and
    China, that are responding, and getting more competitive, which is good. So we're setting the
    China, that are responding, and being more competitive, which is good. So we're setting the
    forcing function for other launch organizations to improve their pricing. We're seeing
    announcements about reusability. China just announced that they are going to develop a reusable
    rocket similar to Falcon 9, which we think is a good thing. And Europe is going to do something
    similar. And I assume Russia will do something similar. So hopefully SpaceX, like Tesla, is a
    good forcing function for improving the technology and the industry, and then helping open
    similar. And I assume Russia will also do something similar. So hopefully SpaceX, like Tesla,
    is a good forcing function for improving the technology and the industry, and then helping open
    access to space to as many people as possible.

    **Phone Moderator:** Next question comes from the line of Tim Fernholz from Quartz. Please go
    @@ -417,7 +417,7 @@ on Block 4. So with Block 4, we'd optimized it to probably about a week's worth
    refurbishments if pushed. Maybe, call it about ten days of work between flights. Maybe not
    that much. But Block 5 is designed to be ten times better than that, and be capable of same day
    flights. So that's two flights in 24 hours. And it consists of hundreds of little things that
    need to be made more robust, or bringing [incremental?] sensors to be able to assess the vehicle health
    need to be made more robust, or we need incremental sensors to be able to assess the vehicle health
    without taking things apart. It's amazing how many hundreds of little things make a difference.
    And then as mentioned, Block 5 also has improved payload to orbit. Improved redundancy.
    Improved reliability. It's really better in every way than Block 4. I'm really proud of the
    @@ -434,7 +434,7 @@ had in helping SpaceX reach the requirements, particularly around human spacefli
    us. As I think I may have mentioned on prior calls, I love NASA so much that literally my
    password was ILoveNASA, at one point. But not anymore, don't try it. [laughs] But I still love
    NASA. I just, can't, you know, tell you my password. But you know, we wouldn't be where we are
    today without not just the support of NASA in recent years, but all the incredible that NASA
    today without not just the support of NASA in recent years, but all the incredible work that NASA
    did through the Apollo program, and beyond. They've been a wonderful partner, and a great help.
    And you know, sometimes it's, you know, to be totally frank, just like a friend that really
    cares, they can be a pain in the ass. But I love NASA so much. And I should say, I'll also
    @@ -474,7 +474,7 @@ but I really do not see this as a risk representing any materiality. And worst c
    we've already demonstrated that Dragon is fully capable of a safe abort from zero velocity,
    zero altitude, and escaping whatever fireball that may occur on the pad, even in a worst case
    situation. So I really do not think this represents a safety issue for astronauts. But if,
    for any reason, NASA felt different, we can adjust our operational procedures to load
    for any reason, NASA felt that it did, we can adjust our operational procedures to load
    propellant before the astronauts board. But I really think this is an overblown issue.

    **Phone Moderator:** Our last question comes from the line of Dave Mosher from Business
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    @@ -113,7 +113,7 @@ the perimeter of the landing leg, which were used to clamp down the leg during a
    now brought those features inside the leg itself. So you'll see sort of a cleaner outer
    contour. And it has an internal latch mechanism that can be opened and closed repeatedly with
    ease. So essentially deploying the landing gear and stowing the landing gear is now a very
    ease thing to do, whereas previously it required several hours to re-stow the landing gear.
    easy thing to do, whereas previously it required several hours to re-stow the landing gear.
    Which can now be done with an actuator, pretty easily.

    We are operating consistently with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from
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    @@ -136,7 +136,7 @@ material, plus active water cooling in certain places on the base of the heat sh

    And we have upgrades to all the avionics as well. So we have an upgraded flight computer,
    engine controllers. A new, more advanced inertial measurement system. And we've eliminated
    the [???] avionics tower, so we've managed to -- [audio cut for 8s] -- gotten actually lighter,
    the [whole?] avionics tower, so we've managed to -- [audio cut for 8s] -- gotten actually lighter,
    better, more advanced. Better in every way. And also more fault-tolerant. So it can withstand
    a much greater array of faults than the old avionics system.

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    @@ -11,14 +11,14 @@ questions as possible in that time. So to keep the conversation flowing, please
    questions to today's topic. With that, I would now like to turn it over to Elon to make
    any brief remarks before we open it up for questions. Elon?

    **Elon Musk:** Alright, thanks. Yeah. We're definitely going to stay on space. I'm going to
    **Elon Musk:** Alright, thanks. Yeah. We're definitely going to stay on space. Don't even
    try. So, real excited about this launch. It's going to be SpaceX's 9th launch of 2018. By this
    time last year, we'd only done five orbit-class missions. So if things go well today, and I'm
    going to touch every form of wood that I can find, we're on track to be double our launch rate
    of last year, which was a record launch rate for us, and effectively Falcon 9 was the most
    launched rocket worldwide of 2017. And if things go well, which is a big caveat, then SpaceX
    will launch more rockets than any other country in 2018. And to date, we've done 55 missions
    to orbit. We've completely 55 successful missions to orbit. 52 were Falcon 9. One was Heavy.
    to orbit. We've completed 55 successful missions to orbit. 52 were Falcon 9. One was Heavy.
    And two were Falcon 1. We've been able to land 24 of the first stage boosters. 11 on land.
    13 on a drone ship. And we've re-flown 11. Now, we've only tried to land first stage boosters
    somewhat late into the program, but it's about a 50% success rate. But once we started landing
    @@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ ease. So essentially deploying the landing gear and stowing the landing gear is
    ease thing to do, whereas previously it required several hours to re-stow the landing gear.
    Which can now be done with an actuator, pretty easily.

    We are [???] consistently with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from
    We are operating consistently with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from
    the aluminum grid fins, that were non-reusable because they got cooked pretty hard during re-entry,
    particularly during geostationary entry. So we have, we think it's the largest titanium forging
    in the world. Looks like a giant bear claw, the new grid fins. It looks really cool, I think.
    @@ -262,17 +262,17 @@ go ahead, your line is open.
    outline what specifications are needed to make this rocket human-rated for commercial crew? And
    also when can we see Block 5 fly a Crew Dragon for the first time?

    **Elon Musk:** Man. There are 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of requirements. [???] for even
    advanced rocket people to know what I'm talking about. So think of, so a human-rated rocket has
    to have high-end margins of safety in the structural -- [audio cut for 4s] -- vehicle, like a
    typical rule of thumb would be, for launching a satellite, you need to design the rocket to 25%
    margins, like essentially, take your worst-case flight load, worst possible scenario that the
    rocket would encounter, and then add 25% to that, the rocket has to be designed 25% above the
    worst-case load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a human-rated launcher, it has to be
    designed to 40% of the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25, and those 15 points are really
    difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult. That's hardcore
    stuff. Approaching the limits of physics here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still [obtain?] orbit. And the
    **Elon Musk:** Man. There are 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of requirements. Many of them are so
    esoteric it's difficult for even experienced rocket people to know what I'm talking about. So think
    of, so a human-rated rocket has to have high-end margins of safety in the structural --
    [audio cut for 4s] -- vehicle, like a typical rule of thumb would be, for launching a satellite,
    you need to design the rocket to 25% margins, like essentially, take your worst-case flight load,
    worst possible scenario that the rocket would encounter, and then add 25% to that, the rocket has
    to be designed 25% above the worst-case load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a human-rated
    launcher, it has to be designed to 40% of the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25, and those
    15 points are really difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult.
    That's hardcore stuff. Approaching the limits of physics here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still obtain orbit. And the
    Falcon 9 boost stage has an advantage with the redundant engines. You could lose any one of the
    engines at any times and still complete the mission. And actually, depending on where you are
    in flight, you could even lose two or three engines and still complete the mission. That's
    @@ -285,9 +285,9 @@ pressure vessels, they're actually rated to twice, the burst pressure of the com
    overwrapped pressure vessels is more than twice what they're actually loaded to on the pads. So
    these are substantially improved, what we call COPVs. Composite overwrapped pressure vessels
    containing high-pressure helium and nitrogen immersed in the fuel and oxygen tanks. And those,
    man, we have tested the [???] out of those things, seventeen ways to Sunday. Because obviously
    we had that failure a few years ago and want to make sure that it's extremely robust. The list
    goes on. Like I said, we feel really confident, and our customers, our most conservative
    man, we have tested the living daylights out of those things, seventeen ways to Sunday. Because
    obviously we had that failure a few years ago and want to make sure that it's extremely robust.
    The list goes on. Like I said, we feel really confident, and our customers, our most conservative
    customers and partners, the Air Force and NASA, also feel good about the design intent of
    this rocket. But I really don't want to tempt fate, because there's a lot of new things in this
    rocket that could potentially go wrong. It could be just one small line error. You know, it
    @@ -296,7 +296,7 @@ grade for rockets, the reason it's so hard to make an orbital rocket work, is th
    grade is 100%. And you can't fully and properly test an orbital rocket until it launches.
    Because you can't recreate those exact conditions on Earth. Everything's sort of a proxy for
    traveling hypersonically through a vacuum. Yeah, man. Anyway, home stretch. [laughter] I'm
    like [???]. I hope you guys... Any good wishes would be appreciated.
    like PTSD. I hope you guys... Any good wishes would be appreciated.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of James Dean of Florida Today.
    Please go ahead, your line is open.
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    @@ -417,7 +417,7 @@ on Block 4. So with Block 4, we'd optimized it to probably about a week's worth
    refurbishments if pushed. Maybe, call it about ten days of work between flights. Maybe not
    that much. But Block 5 is designed to be ten times better than that, and be capable of same day
    flights. So that's two flights in 24 hours. And it consists of hundreds of little things that
    need to be made more robust, or bringing [???] sensors to be able to assess the vehicle health
    need to be made more robust, or bringing [incremental?] sensors to be able to assess the vehicle health
    without taking things apart. It's amazing how many hundreds of little things make a difference.
    And then as mentioned, Block 5 also has improved payload to orbit. Improved redundancy.
    Improved reliability. It's really better in every way than Block 4. I'm really proud of the
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    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical information and hopefully
    this is interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have
    as well, following this. Within the bounds of ITAR constraints. But the [???] base heat
    as well, following this. Within the bounds of ITAR constraints. But the redesigned base heat
    shield, it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a
    high-temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also be
    somewhat actively cooled with water. So we're finding that some things are really just, during
    @@ -145,7 +145,7 @@ that's [cute?] about Fairing 2 is that it's designed for full recoverability. Ir
    will not attempt full recoverability on this flight, but we are confident about doing that on
    future flights, and confident that the fairing reuse will be effective. Which is a big deal
    because each one of those fairings costs about six million dollars to build and represents
    a significant percentage of the [effort put into?] of the rocket.
    a significant percentage of the airframe of the rocket.

    And I suspect you're probably going to ask me about a reusable upper stage. The only thing
    we're doing in the upcoming flights is gathering data about the re-entry experience of the
    @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ after it does its disposal burn. So we're required to do a disposal burn and hav
    re-enter and break up in an unpopulated area in the Pacific. And we've not really monitored
    at what altitude the stage breaks up, and under what conditions. So we're going to learn more
    and more about that in the upcoming flights. Because we're going to put effort into learning
    that. Which is tricky, because when it comes it, it's coming like a meteor. So it's got this
    that. Which is tricky, because when it comes in, it's coming like a meteor. So it's got this
    sort of like, ball of plasma, and you can actually only broadcast sort of like, diagonally
    backwards. So we'll be looking to communicate with, probably the Iridium constellation, and
    try to transmit basic data about temperature, basic health of the stage, [lock in?] altitude.
    @@ -164,7 +164,7 @@ return the upper stage in a condition that is reusable. And actually I'm quite c
    we'll be able to achieve full reusability of the upper stage. In fact, I'm certain we can
    achieve full reusability of the upper stage, the question is simply what the mass penalty is.
    And we don't want to put too much engineering effort into that relative to BFR. And we
    obviously will not any action that creates risk for the ascent phase of the rocket, and that
    obviously will not take any action that creates risk for the ascent phase of the rocket, and that
    puts any of our customer spacecraft in jeopardy. So it should be something like an add-on
    that is effectively just going to be [incremental?] cargo on the ascent phase, and essentially
    be inert on the ascent phase, and then take action on the entry phase.
    @@ -211,7 +211,7 @@ between flights, I'm trying to get a grip on what that actually means. You don't
    inspect turbines or anything like that? And do all these upgrades do anything to the cost of
    your rocket? Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, yeah, great. I'm sorry, you line is not coming through [???] as me, but
    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, yeah, great. I'm sorry, your line is not coming through [???] as me, but
    we expect there to be literally no action taken. No unnecessary action taken between flights.
    So just like an aircraft. It's a case of, you know, we do need to basically take the rocket
    from its landing pad, rotate it horizontal, stow the legs. Take it to the launch pad, attach
    @@ -337,7 +337,7 @@ can go from a million dollars, to a few thousand dollars, or a few hundred dolla
    trips. And then fundamentally spaceflight will be open to almost anyone, just as air flight is.
    And so that's why we did all this. We could have stopped innovating a long time ago and still
    had a very high market share, a majority share of the world commercial launch market. But that
    wouldn't have [???].
    wouldn't have [fit within?] our philosophical goal.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Brendan Byrne of WMFE. Please
    go ahead, your line is open.
    @@ -346,13 +346,14 @@ go ahead, your line is open.
    in rotation around the Florida launch facilities? And is that where the "every ten flights"
    maintenance will occur?

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. So we've decided we're going to have a lot of rockets at the Cape --
    [audio cut] -- and a smaller number at Vandenberg because -- [audio cut] -- [80%?] of our
    launch -- [audio cut] -- out at the Cape and maybe 25% out at Vandenberg -- [audio cut] --
    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. So we've decided we're going to have a lot of rockets at the Cape
    and then a smaller number at Vandenberg because -- [audio cut for 3s] -- [80%?] of our
    launches are likely to be out at the Cape and maybe 25% out at Vandenberg -- [audio cut for 3s] --
    of vehicles at Vandenberg and the Cape. Our South Texas launch site will be dedicated to
    BFR, because we get enough capacity with two launch complexes at Cape Canaveral and one at
    Vandenberg to handle all of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy missions. But yeah, if it's going
    to hold up, we'll have a lot of space [???] space [???] big rocket.
    to hold up, we'll have a space [fleet?], which is pretty exciting, the idea of having a
    [space fleet of rockets?].

    **Brendan Byrne, NPR:** I'm sorry, you broke up just at the start there. How many do you
    expect to have in the rotation?
    @@ -422,7 +423,7 @@ And then as mentioned, Block 5 also has improved payload to orbit. Improved redu
    Improved reliability. It's really better in every way than Block 4. I'm really proud of the
    SpaceX team for the design. We spent a tremendous amount of time on it. I've gone over every
    detail that I could fit in my brain, and I'm just really impressed with the quality of work
    that the SpaceX team has brung here. Come what may in this launch, I know that we have a really
    that the SpaceX team has done here. Come what may in this launch, I know that we have a really
    great team. I couldn't be more proud of them. And I know that they've done everything they can
    to make this go well.

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    And they're capable of withstanding on the order of 1,000 degrees Celsius, 2,000 degrees
    Fahrenheit. Thereabouts. And requires no work between flights, which is also great.

    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical information on [???]
    is interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have as well,
    following this. Within the bounds of ITAR concerns. But the reason I picked the heat shield,
    it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a
    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical information and hopefully
    this is interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have
    as well, following this. Within the bounds of ITAR constraints. But the [???] base heat
    shield, it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a
    high-temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also be
    somewhat actively cooled with water. So we're finding things some things are really just, during
    somewhat actively cooled with water. So we're finding that some things are really just, during
    the very high-energy phases of re-entry, ascent does not require them, but during the high-energy
    phases of re-entry, where you have a hypersonic shock-shock impingement, it generates a very
    hot spot, and you kind of have to use a high-melting point material, a high-temperature
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    worst-case load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a human-rated launcher, it has to be
    designed to 40% of the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25, and those 15 points are really
    difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult. That's hardcore
    stuff. Approaching the limits of the [???], here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    stuff. Approaching the limits of physics here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still [obtain?] orbit. And the
    Falcon 9 boost stage has an advantage with the redundant engines. You could lose any one of the
    engines at any times and still complete the mission. And actually, depending on where you are
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    ease thing to do, whereas previously it required several hours to re-stow the landing gear.
    Which can now be done with an actuator, pretty easily.

    We are [???] with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from the aluminum
    grid fins, that were non- reusable because they got cooked pretty hard during re-entry,
    We are [???] consistently with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from
    the aluminum grid fins, that were non-reusable because they got cooked pretty hard during re-entry,
    particularly during geostationary entry. So we have, we think it's the largest titanium forging
    in the world. Looks like a giant bear claw, the new grid fins. It looks really cool, I think.
    And they're capable of withstanding on the order of 1,000 degrees Celsius, 2,000 degrees
    Fahrenheit. Thereabouts. And requires no work between flights, which is also great.

    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical [???] hope this is
    interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have as well,
    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical information on [???]
    is interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have as well,
    following this. Within the bounds of ITAR concerns. But the reason I picked the heat shield,
    it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a high-
    temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also somewhat
    actively cooled with water. So we're finding things some things are really just, during the
    very high-energy phases of re-entry, ascent does not require them, but during the high-energy
    it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a
    high-temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also be
    somewhat actively cooled with water. So we're finding things some things are really just, during
    the very high-energy phases of re-entry, ascent does not require them, but during the high-energy
    phases of re-entry, where you have a hypersonic shock-shock impingement, it generates a very
    hot spot, and you kind of have to use a high-melting point material, a high-temperature
    material, plus active water cooling in certain places on the base of the heat shield.
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    **James Dean, Florida Today:** Thanks again. You know, [incredible amount of dogs in the
    background] your approach of tinkering with a rocket plan over an eight year period was not
    really the norm in the industry, I just wondering if you could talk about that. Is that
    really the norm in the industry, I just wondered if you could talk about that. Is that
    evidence [sliding door closes, barking stops] of your Silicon Valley roots, and how do you
    think that's influenced your success to date in the industry at large, that willingness to keep
    trying different things and changing designs?
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    ### Block 5 Phone Presser

    2018-05-10

    **James Gleeson, SpaceX PR:** Quick thank you to everyone for joining us on today's call.
    We're just a little over two hours from the launch of the Bangabandhu satellite's mission
    and the first flight of Falcon 9 Block 5. We have about 30 minutes for today's call to discuss
    the upgrades made to the Falcon 9 launch vehicle, and we'd like to get through as many of your
    questions as possible in that time. So to keep the conversation flowing, please limit your
    questions to today's topic. With that, I would now like to turn it over to Elon to make
    any brief remarks before we open it up for questions. Elon?

    **Elon Musk:** Alright, thanks. Yeah. We're definitely going to stay on space. I'm going to
    try. So, real excited about this launch. It's going to be SpaceX's 9th launch of 2018. By this
    time last year, we'd only done five orbit-class missions. So if things go well today, and I'm
    going to touch every form of wood that I can find, we're on track to be double our launch rate
    of last year, which was a record launch rate for us, and effectively Falcon 9 was the most
    launched rocket worldwide of 2017. And if things go well, which is a big caveat, then SpaceX
    will launch more rockets than any other country in 2018. And to date, we've done 55 missions
    to orbit. We've completely 55 successful missions to orbit. 52 were Falcon 9. One was Heavy.
    And two were Falcon 1. We've been able to land 24 of the first stage boosters. 11 on land.
    13 on a drone ship. And we've re-flown 11. Now, we've only tried to land first stage boosters
    somewhat late into the program, but it's about a 50% success rate. But once we started landing
    them, the success rate sort of went to 90%. And in recent times, except for the center core
    of Falcon Heavy, it's been 100%.

    So, the goals with Block 5. And I think that perhaps the word Block is strange, we kind of
    adopted it from the Russians. This is arguably Falcon 9 version 6, in sort of normal
    vernacular. Because we had version one, version 1.1 which was really like version 2, arguably
    a version in between that, and then a bunch of blocks. So we should probably just go back, I'm
    sure the internet's already done this, and have a more sensible description of the versioning.
    But think of it as like, at least version 6 of the rocket.

    And this'll be the last major version of the Falcon 9. There'll be minor improvements to
    support manufacturability, make re-flight easier, improve flight reliability, of course. And so
    there'll be a handful of small changes. So expect like, if this hypothetically version 6,
    that'd put us at sort of 6.01, or 6.02, that sort of thing. But minor changes, provided they're
    supported by our key customers in commercial satellite launch, NASA, and the Air Force. So yeah,
    this'll be the last major version of Falcon 9 before BFR. And we expect this to be a mainstay
    for SpaceX's business. We think of probably winding up with something on the order of 300
    flights, maybe more, of Falcon 9 Block 5 before retirement.

    One of the biggest goals of Block 5 / Version 6 is ease of reusability. In principle we could
    re-fly Block 4 probably upwards of ten times, but with a fair amount of work between each
    flight. The key to Block 5 is that it's designed to do ten or more flights with no
    refurbishment between each flight. Or at least no scheduled refurbishment between each flights.
    The only thing that needs to change is you reload propellant and fly again. Now, if there's
    something off-nominal that occurs, that may require some unscheduled maintenance. But there's
    no scheduled maintenance for every ten flights. And then there'll be some moderate scheduled
    maintenance at ten, but we believe that the Block 5 boosters are capable of on the order of at
    least a hundred flights before being retired. Maybe more.

    But we think it's made somewhat moot because it'll be superseded by BFR at that point. Our goal,
    just to give you a sense of how reusable we think the design can be, we intend to demonstrate
    two orbital launches of the same Block 5 vehicle within 24 hours no later than next year. So
    it's going to take some amount of time, we're going to be very careful and deliberate about
    this, but that will be I think truly remarkable, to launch an orbit-class rocket, the same
    orbital-class rocket twice in one day. Because there's only so much work you could even
    do in one day, and a bunch of it consists of transporting the rocket from its landing site back
    to the launch site, mounting a new satellite on the rocket, and loading propellant, and going.
    And doing all of that within a 24 hour period while maintaining a very high level of mission
    assurance. It's extraordinarily difficult. I think that would be a very exciting outcome.

    That was the second-most important thing. The first-most important thing was addressing all of
    NASA's human-rating requirements. We need to exceed all of NASA's human-rating requirements for
    Block 5, and they are quite extensive. As well as meet all of the Air Force requirements for
    extreme reliability. So this really is, I really don't want to jinx fate here, but this rocket
    is really designed to be, the intent, is to be the most reliable rocket ever built. That is the
    design intent. I hope fate does not punish me for these words, but that is unequivocally the
    intent. And I think our customers, our most conservative customers would agree that is an
    accurate statement. Please fate, don't punish me, because the intentions are good.

    In terms of performance upgrades, we also have a number of those. The Merlin engines, the
    engine thrust is going to increase by approximately 8%, to 190,000 pounds of thrust at sea
    level. We think there's probably a little more room there, maybe going up to 10% or so. As
    well as some small increases in specific impulse of a few seconds. So both the efficiency of
    the engine and the thrust of the engine have increased. While not increasing, we haven't made
    any material change to the mass of the engine. So the thrust-to-weight of the engine is getting
    clearly incredible at this point. It was already the highest thrust-to-weight engine in the
    world and now it's got even... So. The vacuum version of Merlin increased in thrust by about
    5%, to 210,000 pounds-force. Sorry, to 220,000 pounds-force. But we will be de-throttling this
    engine on this first flight, to assess the vibration increase in the environment, so it will
    currently be operating at its old thrust level. Just throttling down, essentially. It's a new
    engine operating at 5% below its rated thrust. So we'll be operating it at 210,000 pounds of
    thrust. But that's something we expect to increase by 5%, maybe 10% down the road. We are,
    again, very careful about the level of expansion of the thrust of the engines.

    I will say, we have a new thermal protection technology. If you look, aesthetically, at the
    black interstage, that is, the structure that joins the upper and lower stage, as well as
    the raceways and landing legs, they all use a new thermal protection material we developed at
    SpaceX, which is intended to be highly reusable, and does not require paint. It's considerably
    hydrophobic and does not trap water. It's really quite a challenging thing to do, to make
    something, essentially is [environment proof?] but does not require paint. And I actually
    like the aesthetics of it more. In fact if you look back at the old Falcon 1 rocket, I really
    liked having the black interstage, because of the interstage being made of carbon fiber. And I
    think it added a different aesthetic to the rocket. Obviously aesthetics are a minor factor in
    rocket design, but I still like the fact that we've returned, almost nostalgically, to having
    a black interstage.

    And we have the octaweb, which is the primary load-bearing structure at the bottom of the
    rocket that is essentially the engine bay. That is what carries the load of the nine engines
    in the base, as well as what protects each of the nine engines from the others. So if one of
    the engines were to go awry, in principle each will be in a protective bay, and a failure of
    an engine on the boost stage would not affect the success of the mission. In theory. Again,
    I don't want to tempt fate. But this is a much stronger octaweb structure. It's made of a much
    higher strength of bolted aluminum. A 7000 series instead of a 2000 series. So the strength of
    the octaweb is dramatically greater. It also has quite a bit of thermal protection in case
    there's say, an engine fire, or something like that. Such that it does not melt the octaweb.

    The landing legs, you'll notice if you look carefully that there are no outward scallops on
    the perimeter of the landing leg, which were used to clamp down the leg during ascent. We have
    now brought those features inside the leg itself. So you'll see sort of a cleaner outer
    contour. And it has an internal latch mechanism that can be opened and closed repeatedly with
    ease. So essentially deploying the landing gear and stowing the landing gear is now a very
    ease thing to do, whereas previously it required several hours to re-stow the landing gear.
    Which can now be done with an actuator, pretty easily.

    We are [???] with the titanium grid fins and have now moved away completely from the aluminum
    grid fins, that were non- reusable because they got cooked pretty hard during re-entry,
    particularly during geostationary entry. So we have, we think it's the largest titanium forging
    in the world. Looks like a giant bear claw, the new grid fins. It looks really cool, I think.
    And they're capable of withstanding on the order of 1,000 degrees Celsius, 2,000 degrees
    Fahrenheit. Thereabouts. And requires no work between flights, which is also great.

    The base heat shield on the rocket... I'm giving a lot of technical [???] hope this is
    interesting, but I'm happy to answer any detailed technical questions you may have as well,
    following this. Within the bounds of ITAR concerns. But the reason I picked the heat shield,
    it's also a big improvement. And we replaced the old composite structure with a high-
    temperature titanium structure to support rapid reuse. The base heat shield will also somewhat
    actively cooled with water. So we're finding things some things are really just, during the
    very high-energy phases of re-entry, ascent does not require them, but during the high-energy
    phases of re-entry, where you have a hypersonic shock-shock impingement, it generates a very
    hot spot, and you kind of have to use a high-melting point material, a high-temperature
    material, plus active water cooling in certain places on the base of the heat shield.

    And we have upgrades to all the avionics as well. So we have an upgraded flight computer,
    engine controllers. A new, more advanced inertial measurement system. And we've eliminated
    the [???] avionics tower, so we've managed to -- [audio cut for 8s] -- gotten actually lighter,
    better, more advanced. Better in every way. And also more fault-tolerant. So it can withstand
    a much greater array of faults than the old avionics system.

    This will also be carrying Fairing 2. And although we've flown Fairing 2 before, the thing
    that's [cute?] about Fairing 2 is that it's designed for full recoverability. Ironically, we
    will not attempt full recoverability on this flight, but we are confident about doing that on
    future flights, and confident that the fairing reuse will be effective. Which is a big deal
    because each one of those fairings costs about six million dollars to build and represents
    a significant percentage of the [effort put into?] of the rocket.

    And I suspect you're probably going to ask me about a reusable upper stage. The only thing
    we're doing in the upcoming flights is gathering data about the re-entry experience of the
    upper stage. Previously we've not put a lot of effort into gathering data on the upper stage
    after it does its disposal burn. So we're required to do a disposal burn and have the stage
    re-enter and break up in an unpopulated area in the Pacific. And we've not really monitored
    at what altitude the stage breaks up, and under what conditions. So we're going to learn more
    and more about that in the upcoming flights. Because we're going to put effort into learning
    that. Which is tricky, because when it comes it, it's coming like a meteor. So it's got this
    sort of like, ball of plasma, and you can actually only broadcast sort of like, diagonally
    backwards. So we'll be looking to communicate with, probably the Iridium constellation, and
    try to transmit basic data about temperature, basic health of the stage, [lock in?] altitude.
    And then gradually over the course of this year, we'll be adding more and more thermal
    protection to the upper stage, and try to see what's the least amount of mass necessary to
    return the upper stage in a condition that is reusable. And actually I'm quite confident that
    we'll be able to achieve full reusability of the upper stage. In fact, I'm certain we can
    achieve full reusability of the upper stage, the question is simply what the mass penalty is.
    And we don't want to put too much engineering effort into that relative to BFR. And we
    obviously will not any action that creates risk for the ascent phase of the rocket, and that
    puts any of our customer spacecraft in jeopardy. So it should be something like an add-on
    that is effectively just going to be [incremental?] cargo on the ascent phase, and essentially
    be inert on the ascent phase, and then take action on the entry phase.

    But that'll be very exciting if we can. We achieved the primary boost stage, that's like, half
    the cost of the rocket. On the order of that. [To be technically safe?], the marginal cost of
    launch, the boost stage is probably close to 60% of the cost. The upper stage is about 20% of
    the cost. Fairing is about 10%, and then about 10% which is associated with the launch itself.
    So if we're able to reuse all elements of the rocket, first of all, it'd be the first ever
    fully-reused orbital vehicle of any kind. And then we'd be able to reduce the cost for launch
    by an order of magnitude. And as our launch rate increases, we can further optimize the launch
    costs. Because the propellant only costs about $300,000 or so per launch. So that's really a
    tiny, tiny number. Maybe $400,000 depending on how you count it. So if we're able to reduce the
    cost of operations, the fixed cost and whatnot, then we could really, even with the Falcon 9,
    get down to... well, we'd still have to do ocean recovery which adds a few million dollars, but
    we may be able to get down to a marginal cost for a Falcon 9 launch down, fully considered,
    down under five or six million dollars. That would be quite exciting.

    With that, I'd be happy to turn to questions.

    **Phone Moderator:** At this time, I would like to remind every one, in order to ask a
    question, press star, and then the number one on your telephone keypad. Our first question
    comes from the line of Irene Klotz of Aviation Week. Please go ahead, your line is open.

    **Irene Klotz, Aviation Week:** Hi. Thanks very much, Elon, and I appreciate the briefing. I
    wanted to know if the Block 5 scheduled to launch today is the same configuration you plan to
    use for commercial crew. In other words, if successful, will this flight count towards the one
    of seven that NASA's requiring before astronauts fly?

    **Elon Musk:** I believe it will. That's my understanding, but I could be mistaken.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Bill Harwood of CBS News. Go
    ahead, your line is open.

    **Bill Harwood, CBS News:** Thank you very much. Elon, when you say minimal refurb between
    flights, does that mean you just haul it back, put it on the pad, gas it up, and fly it, and
    you don't need to check turbines or anything like that? And I'm wondering what all those
    upgrades might be doing to the cost of the rocket, if anything. Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, it was a little hard to hear you. Could you repeat the question?

    **Bill Harwood, CBS News:** Yes, thank you. I was just wondering, when you say minimal refurb
    between flights, I'm trying to get a grip on what that actually means. You don't need to
    inspect turbines or anything like that? And do all these upgrades do anything to the cost of
    your rocket? Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, yeah, great. I'm sorry, you line is not coming through [???] as me, but
    we expect there to be literally no action taken. No unnecessary action taken between flights.
    So just like an aircraft. It's a case of, you know, we do need to basically take the rocket
    from its landing pad, rotate it horizontal, stow the legs. Take it to the launch pad, attach
    an upper stage, attach a fairing with a payload. Then transport it out the launch pad, rotate
    it vertically, load propellant, and fly. And in principle, that is literally all that's
    necessary.

    **Bill Harwood, CBS News:** Wow.

    **Elon Musk:** And for those who know rockets, this is a ridiculously hard thing. And it's
    taken us, man, from 2002, 16 years of extreme effort, and many, many iterations, and thousands
    of small but important development changes to get to where we think this is even possible.
    Crazy hard.

    **Bill Harwood, CBS News:** Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** And of course, we still need to demonstrate it. So it's not like we've done it.
    But it can be done.

    **Phone Moderator:** Eric Berger, your line is open and please, go ahead.

    **Eric Berger, Ars Technica:** Hi Elon. Thanks very much for doing this. I'm wondering what
    your plans are for this particular booster in terms of getting to a second and a third flight,
    is that something that you guys have put a timeline on?

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry, again, the call quality's not that great. Can you say that again?

    **Eric Berger, Ars Technica:** What is your plan for the second and third use of this rocket?
    How soon are we going to get to a third flight of a Block 5?

    **Elon Musk:** Oh. First re-flight. So. We are going to be very rigorous in taking this rocket
    apart and confirming our design assumptions to be confident that it is indeed able to be reused
    without being taken apart. Ironically, we need to take it apart to confirm that it does not
    need to be taken apart. Hehe. Um. So this rocket probably won't re-fly for probably a couple of
    months. Eventually, by...late this year, we should be seeing substantial re-flights of Block 5
    vehicles, probably with some Block 5 boosters, it being their third, maybe their fourth
    re-flight. And once you get to next year, toward the end of next year we'll see the first Block
    5s seeing their 10th flight. And like I said, next year is when we intend to demonstrate
    re-flight of the same primary rocket booster within...basically same day re-flight of the same
    rocket. I think that's really a key milestone.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Loren Grush of The Verge. Please
    go ahead, your line is open.

    **Elon Musk:** Hey Loren.

    **Loren Grush, The Verge:** Hi Elon. Hi, nice to talk to you. I was wondering if you can
    outline what specifications are needed to make this rocket human-rated for commercial crew? And
    also when can we see Block 5 fly a Crew Dragon for the first time?

    **Elon Musk:** Man. There are 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of requirements. [???] for even
    advanced rocket people to know what I'm talking about. So think of, so a human-rated rocket has
    to have high-end margins of safety in the structural -- [audio cut for 4s] -- vehicle, like a
    typical rule of thumb would be, for launching a satellite, you need to design the rocket to 25%
    margins, like essentially, take your worst-case flight load, worst possible scenario that the
    rocket would encounter, and then add 25% to that, the rocket has to be designed 25% above the
    worst-case load, for the case of a satellite launcher. For a human-rated launcher, it has to be
    designed to 40% of the worst-case load. So that's like 40 versus 25, and those 15 points are really
    difficult to do while not making your rocket really heavy. Really difficult. That's hardcore
    stuff. Approaching the limits of the [???], here. And then also fault tolerance. The avionics
    of the rocket have to be capable of multiple faults occurring and still [obtain?] orbit. And the
    Falcon 9 boost stage has an advantage with the redundant engines. You could lose any one of the
    engines at any times and still complete the mission. And actually, depending on where you are
    in flight, you could even lose two or three engines and still complete the mission. That's
    actually quite helpful. Just like having a multi-engine aircraft. And then you have things like
    stage separation. Confirming that we have full redundancy on all the latches and all the
    control mechanisms, all the way down to the control valves, the electronics, the wiring. It's
    designed like a commercial airliner, relative to say, a general aviation aircraft. And getting
    all those details right is massively difficult. And for example, for the composite overwrapped
    pressure vessels, they're actually rated to twice, the burst pressure of the composite
    overwrapped pressure vessels is more than twice what they're actually loaded to on the pads. So
    these are substantially improved, what we call COPVs. Composite overwrapped pressure vessels
    containing high-pressure helium and nitrogen immersed in the fuel and oxygen tanks. And those,
    man, we have tested the [???] out of those things, seventeen ways to Sunday. Because obviously
    we had that failure a few years ago and want to make sure that it's extremely robust. The list
    goes on. Like I said, we feel really confident, and our customers, our most conservative
    customers and partners, the Air Force and NASA, also feel good about the design intent of
    this rocket. But I really don't want to tempt fate, because there's a lot of new things in this
    rocket that could potentially go wrong. It could be just one small line error. You know, it
    could be a thousand things that go right on this rocket, and one that goes wrong, and a passing
    grade for rockets, the reason it's so hard to make an orbital rocket work, is that your passing
    grade is 100%. And you can't fully and properly test an orbital rocket until it launches.
    Because you can't recreate those exact conditions on Earth. Everything's sort of a proxy for
    traveling hypersonically through a vacuum. Yeah, man. Anyway, home stretch. [laughter] I'm
    like [???]. I hope you guys... Any good wishes would be appreciated.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of James Dean of Florida Today.
    Please go ahead, your line is open.

    **Elon Musk:** Hi James? Hey James, we can't hear you through...

    **James Dean, Florida Today:** I'll try again.

    **Elon Musk:** Yep, go ahead.

    **James Dean, Florida Today:** Thanks again. You know, [incredible amount of dogs in the
    background] your approach of tinkering with a rocket plan over an eight year period was not
    really the norm in the industry, I just wondering if you could talk about that. Is that
    evidence [sliding door closes, barking stops] of your Silicon Valley roots, and how do you
    think that's influenced your success to date in the industry at large, that willingness to keep
    trying different things and changing designs?

    **Elon Musk:** Well, I think it's important to appreciate the fundamental motivations that I
    have, and I think that the team at SpaceX has, which is that we really want SpaceX to be a
    forcing function for improving, dramatically improving space technology to the point that it
    enables humanity to become a multi-planet species. Get out there and have a base on the moon
    and Mars, and ultimately even on the outer planets. To really expand the scope and scale of
    consciousness, and make sure that in the hopefully unlikely event of something happening here
    on Earth that the light of consciousness is not extinguished. Which is I think an extremely
    important thing to secure. I mean it's not going to matter to me, I'll be long dead, nor is
    it any kind of picnic to go out there and establish self-sustaining bases on places not on
    Earth. It's dangerous. People are going to die. It's going to be difficult. Very few people
    will want to take on this dangerous hard work. But I think it's important for the future of
    humanity, and for also preserving life as we know it on Earth. Because we are life's agency,
    and have some responsibility, as life's agency. That's just my opinion. So, from our standpoint
    it was really critical to keep advancing rocket technology and achieve full and rapid
    reusability, in the absence of which spaceflight would always be too expensive. As you've
    probably heard me say, if aircraft were not reusable and you needed a new one for every flight,
    then each ticket would cost millions of dollars, at least. One way. You'd need two for a
    two-way trip. And almost no one would be able to afford to fly. And that's the situation we're
    in with expendable rockets today. And what happens once you achieve reusability, then tickets
    can go from a million dollars, to a few thousand dollars, or a few hundred dollars for short
    trips. And then fundamentally spaceflight will be open to almost anyone, just as air flight is.
    And so that's why we did all this. We could have stopped innovating a long time ago and still
    had a very high market share, a majority share of the world commercial launch market. But that
    wouldn't have [???].

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Brendan Byrne of WMFE. Please
    go ahead, your line is open.

    **Brendan Byrne, NPR:** Hey Elon. How many of these Block 5 boosters do you expect you'll have
    in rotation around the Florida launch facilities? And is that where the "every ten flights"
    maintenance will occur?

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. So we've decided we're going to have a lot of rockets at the Cape --
    [audio cut] -- and a smaller number at Vandenberg because -- [audio cut] -- [80%?] of our
    launch -- [audio cut] -- out at the Cape and maybe 25% out at Vandenberg -- [audio cut] --
    of vehicles at Vandenberg and the Cape. Our South Texas launch site will be dedicated to
    BFR, because we get enough capacity with two launch complexes at Cape Canaveral and one at
    Vandenberg to handle all of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy missions. But yeah, if it's going
    to hold up, we'll have a lot of space [???] space [???] big rocket.

    **Brendan Byrne, NPR:** I'm sorry, you broke up just at the start there. How many do you
    expect to have in the rotation?

    **Elon Musk:** I think probably, just to be safe, we'll probably have about 30.

    **Brendan Byrne, NPR:** Great. Thanks Elon.

    **Elon Musk:** Call it 30-50. It definitely depends on what number of customers insist on
    launching a new rocket. But I think the general sentiment will change from feeling like a
    flown rocket is scary, to feeling like an un-flown rocket is scary. Just like, would you
    rather fly in an aircraft that's never had a test flight before? Or would you rather fly
    in an aircraft that's flown many times successfully? I think that's, certainly for, I'm
    a pilot, and I've flown a lot of aircraft, and I've read about aircraft design. I definitely
    would far prefer to fly in an aircraft that's flown many times successfully, than one that
    has never flown. But we completely have the opposite sentiment in rocket land. But I think
    that sentiment over time will change to the point that people will actually prefer to fly
    on a flight-proven rocket than one that has never flown.

    **Phone Moderator:** Your next question comes from the line of Caleb Henry of SpaceNews. Please
    go ahead, your line is open.

    **Caleb Henry, SpaceNews:** Hey Elon. Question about the price range that you talked about long
    term for the Falcon 9. You mentioned five to six million dollars. When do you project being
    able to provide those prices?

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. I do want to emphasize that those are long term marginal cost of flight.
    So those aren't prices, they're margin cost of flight, long term. Meaning it would take, I
    don't know, three years or so to get there. And then we are going to need to, we still have
    a bunch of fixed costs to cover, that need to be divided over that number of flights. And we
    need to recover the development costs of recovery. And pay for BFR. And pay for the Starlink
    constellation. So we do expect to see a steady reduction in prices, and we already have reduced
    prices from where they were, from about $60 million to about $50 million for a re-flown
    booster. That's by far the most competitive price in the world for a Falcon 9 class vehicle.
    And it's kind of cool, we're seeing a response from other organizations, Russia, Europe, and
    China, that are responding, and getting more competitive, which is good. So we're setting the
    forcing function for other launch organizations to improve their pricing. We're seeing
    announcements about reusability. China just announced that they are going to develop a reusable
    rocket similar to Falcon 9, which we think is a good thing. And Europe is going to do something
    similar. And I assume Russia will do something similar. So hopefully SpaceX, like Tesla, is a
    good forcing function for improving the technology and the industry, and then helping open
    access to space to as many people as possible.

    **Phone Moderator:** Next question comes from the line of Tim Fernholz from Quartz. Please go
    ahead, your line is open.

    **Tim Fernholz, Quartz:** Hi Elon. Thanks for doing this. I just wanted to ask a quick question
    about the refurbishment process as it happened priorly. Can you give us a sense of the
    previously flown boosters, how much of the avionics that had to be replaced, beyond some of the
    structural reusability features you just mentioned?

    **Elon Musk:** Sorry. The line's not that strong, I missed the question.

    **Tim Fernholz, Quartz:** I was just asking about, if you had some tangible examples about the
    previous boosters, what doesn't need to be fixed or refurbished now? Were you're taking out
    all the avionics before the Block 4 boosters had to re-fly? Just to get a sense.

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. It wasn't that bad actually. With Block 4, we were most of the way towards
    Block 5, and in fact we had tests of portions of what's on Block 5 like the titanium grid fins
    on Block 4. So with Block 4, we'd optimized it to probably about a week's worth of
    refurbishments if pushed. Maybe, call it about ten days of work between flights. Maybe not
    that much. But Block 5 is designed to be ten times better than that, and be capable of same day
    flights. So that's two flights in 24 hours. And it consists of hundreds of little things that
    need to be made more robust, or bringing [???] sensors to be able to assess the vehicle health
    without taking things apart. It's amazing how many hundreds of little things make a difference.
    And then as mentioned, Block 5 also has improved payload to orbit. Improved redundancy.
    Improved reliability. It's really better in every way than Block 4. I'm really proud of the
    SpaceX team for the design. We spent a tremendous amount of time on it. I've gone over every
    detail that I could fit in my brain, and I'm just really impressed with the quality of work
    that the SpaceX team has brung here. Come what may in this launch, I know that we have a really
    great team. I couldn't be more proud of them. And I know that they've done everything they can
    to make this go well.

    **Tim Fernholz, Quartz:** One follow-up, if I can? Can you talk about what role NASA may have
    had in helping SpaceX reach the requirements, particularly around human spaceflight?

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up, actually. NASA's been an amazing partner for
    us. As I think I may have mentioned on prior calls, I love NASA so much that literally my
    password was ILoveNASA, at one point. But not anymore, don't try it. [laughs] But I still love
    NASA. I just, can't, you know, tell you my password. But you know, we wouldn't be where we are
    today without not just the support of NASA in recent years, but all the incredible that NASA
    did through the Apollo program, and beyond. They've been a wonderful partner, and a great help.
    And you know, sometimes it's, you know, to be totally frank, just like a friend that really
    cares, they can be a pain in the ass. But I love NASA so much. And I should say, I'll also
    credit the Air Force and the intel community with helping improve the robustness of the rockets
    in many small ways, as well as the FAA for their support.

    **Phone Moderator:** Next question comes from the line of Stephen Clark from Spaceflight Now.
    Please go ahead, your line is open.

    **Stephen Clark, Spaceflight Now:** Hi Elon. Thanks for chatting with us before the launch. We
    know astronauts will one day be launching on the Block 5, and I understand NASA is still
    studying whether they're going to be comfortable with the Load and Go fueling process. And I
    know you and SpaceX have a different view of the risk in that operation. So do you think you
    can convince NASA of the safety of the Load and Go fueling process? And would you be willing
    to change or adjust that procedure for Commercial Crew if NASA requests it. Thanks.

    **Elon Musk:** Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think that issue's been somewhat overblown. We
    certainly could load the propellant and then have the astronauts board Dragon. That's certainly
    something we could do. But I don't think it's going to be necessary, anymore than passengers on
    an aircraft need to wait until the aircraft is fully fueled before boarding. I mean, that would
    be a crazy delay if everyone off of the aircraft and until it gets fueled, now you can't board.
    But no, it's normal to load propellant, to load fuel on an aircraft while boarding, or have the
    fuel fully loaded before boarding. It's not a fundamental risk. You know, we need to make sure
    about things like the COPVs. I'd say like, the only material risk I'm aware of is the COPV, and
    the amount of testing and research that's gone into COPV safety is gigantic. This is by far the
    most advanced pressure vessel ever developed by humanity. It's nuts. And I've personally gone
    over the test design, I've lost count how many times. But the top engineering minds at SpaceX
    have agonized over this. We've tested the living daylights out of it. We've been in deep, deep
    discussions with NASA about this. And I think we're in a good situation. We do have a
    contingency plan for the COPV, which I'd say would really be the only thing that represents a
    risk of any materiality. Which would be a switch from high-strength carbon fiber with aluminum
    liner to a, sort of like, an Inconel sphere. We have a contingency plan for that, if need be.
    But I think that is unlikely to be necessary. But that's really the only thing that I'd
    consider to be the most [legitimate?] of the risks. But yeah, this is really not something that
    should be needed. I mean, we obviously have competitors that are willing to make hay out of it,
    but I really do not see this as a risk representing any materiality. And worst case scenario,
    we've already demonstrated that Dragon is fully capable of a safe abort from zero velocity,
    zero altitude, and escaping whatever fireball that may occur on the pad, even in a worst case
    situation. So I really do not think this represents a safety issue for astronauts. But if,
    for any reason, NASA felt different, we can adjust our operational procedures to load
    propellant before the astronauts board. But I really think this is an overblown issue.

    **Phone Moderator:** Our last question comes from the line of Dave Mosher from Business
    Insider. Please go ahead, your line is open.

    **Dave Mosher, Business Insider:** Thanks for doing this call, Elon. We really appreciate it.
    So you mentioned Block 5 has about 300 flights left before you retire it and you transition to
    BFR. I just would love any kind of update you can provide on that program. How's the
    construction going on the first spaceship? Any notable manufacturing challenges? Or successes?

    **Elon Musk:** Alright. I would love to go on and on about BFR, but today is about Block 5. And
    so if you have a Block 5 question, that's cool. Otherwise you'll have to hold it for a BFR
    call, later.

    **Dave Mosher, Business Insider:** Sure. Yeah, I would love a BFR call later. But about Block 5,
    so the 300 flights that are left, you said this was version 6. I guess how many versions do you
    have left? You know you mentioned the party balloon, Fairing 2, and so on? When do you plan to
    sort of fully lock this design for the Falcon 9?

    **Elon Musk:** Well, like I said, there'll be no further major versions of the Falcon 9 after
    Block 5. There'll be minor improvements as we discover them from flight history for improving
    reliability, robustness, reusability. Maybe some things where we think performance can be
    increased without affecting reliability. So these are really sort of minor refinements. But
    there'll not be a Block 6. We intend to stabilize on the Block 5 platform and have no further
    major upgrade. Yeah.

    **James Gleeson, SpaceX PR:** Okay Elon. James again, I just wanted to thank everybody for
    joining today's call, and Elon, if you want close with any remarks, that'd be great.

    **Elon Musk:** Thanks everybody for joining. Those were really great questions. And whatever
    happens today, I know that the SpaceX team has really worked incredibly hard, sacrificed many
    nights and weekends, [for a very talented group?] to make this launch successful. And I just
    couldn't be prouder [and more?] to work with such a great team. So hopefully it all goes as
    planned, and we do a good job for the people of Bangladesh today. Thank you.

    **Phone Moderator:** This completes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.