dkubb · August 29, 2015 14:22 · Jun 9, 2015 · Jun 9, 2015 · Jun 9, 2015
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 Just do, make sure my swearing is preserved.
 
 dkubb [1:01 PM] 
-haha
-NEW MESSAGES
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-mbj [1:02 PM] 
-(And include that I want my swearing to be preserved :P)
+haha
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+dkubb [12:34 PM] 
+I feel solnic’s pain in trying to swim against the current
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+dkubb [12:44 PM] 
+https://twitter.com/dkubb/status/608359066172313600
+Dan Kubb@dkubb
+.@rubyfive @_solnic_ has done great things for ruby, and your dismissive tone to his valid criticism only hurts the community.
+Today at 12:44 PM
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+mbj [12:47 PM] 
+Yeah. As I use a dismissive tone against ruby I could not complain for that. But solnic is more nice than me he does not deserve this.
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+dkubb [12:48 PM] 
+hehe
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+dkubb [12:48 PM]
+I just listened to it and it bugged me how they responded to it
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+mbj [12:49 PM] 
+I'd just ignore them.
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+dkubb [12:49 PM] 
+yeah
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+dkubb [12:49 PM]
+still, solnic pretty much only does OSS that benefits others
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+dkubb [12:49 PM]
+he’s not running a code school and trying to make tons of money off the ruby community
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+dkubb [12:49 PM]
+I think that’s the root of many people’s fears, in criticizing ruby they feel you are attacking their livelihood (edited)
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+mbj [12:50 PM] 
+Its not showing technical counter arguments. So fuck them. Also its very likely their target audience is disjunct from the people solnic actually can successfully address.
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+dkubb [12:50 PM] 
+I don’t self-identify as a ruby developer anymore
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+mbj [12:51 PM] 
+In no way I do this.
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+mbj [12:51 PM]
+I'm past that point for 6month. The turn point was visiting that Idris guys.
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+mbj [12:51 PM]
+I'm just a developer with special skills maintaining legacy (ruby) code bases.
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+dkubb [12:52 PM] 
+It’s ironic that the very people who are riding on the back of  @_solnic_’s work are criticizing him
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+mbj [12:53 PM] 
+Yeah, virtus is sorta a missing data transform layer in rails.
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+mbj [12:53 PM]
+Not that I like virtus, I consider it inappropriate for input valdiation mapping and even domain modelling (that should NOT do coercions). But its a great piece of work that helped lots of people to deliver stuff.
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+mbj [12:53 PM]
+And solnic knows (actually shares) my concerns.
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+dkubb [12:56 PM] 
+one other common argument people use is “why are you complaining without offering a solution?” .. this bugs me because while it is sometimes possible for one person to identify a problem, it’s often outside of their ability to form an acceptable solution in their own
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+mbj [12:56 PM] 
+Yeah, that argument is dump.
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+dkubb [12:56 PM] 
+it makes me think the people who respond like that are only used to dealing with trivial problems
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+dkubb [12:56 PM]
+hard problems require discussion
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+mbj [12:57 PM] 
+If a solution "rails" is dump its not the solution to write another rails (why it should not be dump, if its just a rails). It needs to be fundementally different, and for that reason it will not be comparable.
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+mbj [12:57 PM]
+Its like comparing Atomic with Coal powerplants.
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+dkubb [12:57 PM] 
+the old approach isn’t working so you need a new approach
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+dkubb [12:57 PM]
+not the old approach retried
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+mbj [12:57 PM] 
+Yeah, and even if you *did* a new approach people will say: Still you did not do your own rails.
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+dkubb [12:58 PM] 
+heh, yeah, especially when that’s kind of the point
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+mbj [12:58 PM] 
+exactly. You can never make those people happy.
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+mbj [12:58 PM]
+The argument "Do better for your own" is basically saying: I'm out of arguments :wink:
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+mbj [12:59 PM]
+Not that piotr did not wrote what could be used to assemble a framework (virtus, rom) ...
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+mbj [12:59 PM]
+he Is *de-facto* working on a stack.
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+dkubb [12:59 PM] 
+he’s doing more than most others
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+mbj [1:00 PM] 
+We should share him the last 100 lines of discussion, so he does not feel alone out there :wink:
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+dkubb [1:00 PM] 
+The comments from ruby5 is yet more positive reinforcement that the ruby community is actually dying.
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+mbj [1:01 PM] 
+This is expected.
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+mbj [1:01 PM]
+Ruby does not scale for complex apps.
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+mbj [1:01 PM]
+People grow up with ruby, and the more they grow up the more complex are their apps.
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+dkubb [1:01 PM] 
+you can put it in a public gist and link to it in a public tweet if you want. I have nothing to hide with my comments
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+mbj [1:01 PM] 
+And soon they must move to another platform to fullfill the demands of a more complex app.
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+dkubb [1:01 PM] 
+or I can
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+mbj [1:01 PM] 
+Just do, make sure my swearing is preserved.
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+dkubb [1:01 PM] 
+haha
+NEW MESSAGES
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+mbj [1:02 PM] 
+(And include that I want my swearing to be preserved :P)
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