Skip to content

Instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

@ddossot
Created November 6, 2011 17:32
Show Gist options
  • Select an option

  • Save ddossot/1343208 to your computer and use it in GitHub Desktop.

Select an option

Save ddossot/1343208 to your computer and use it in GitHub Desktop.

Revisions

  1. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 2 additions and 2 deletions.
    4 changes: 2 additions & 2 deletions gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt). The views expressed in this document are the original (anonymous) author's.
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt). The views expressed in this document are the original (anonymous) author's._

    After reading this, read the [response from 10Gen's CTO](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3202959)._
    _After reading this, read the [response from 10Gen's CTO](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3202959)._

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  2. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 3 additions and 1 deletion.
    4 changes: 3 additions & 1 deletion gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,4 +1,6 @@
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt). The views expressed in this document are the original author's._
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt). The views expressed in this document are the original (anonymous) author's.

    After reading this, read the [response from 10Gen's CTO](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3202959)._

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  3. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 1 addition and 1 deletion.
    2 changes: 1 addition & 1 deletion gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt)._
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt). The views expressed in this document are the original author's._

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  4. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 1 addition and 1 deletion.
    2 changes: 1 addition & 1 deletion gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
    _Markdown formatted version of the [http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt](plain text source document)._
    _Markdown formatted version of the [plain text source document](http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt)._

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  5. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 1 addition and 1 deletion.
    2 changes: 1 addition & 1 deletion gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
    Markdown formatted version of the (http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt)[plain text source document]
    _Markdown formatted version of the [http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt](plain text source document)._

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  6. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 1 addition and 1 deletion.
    2 changes: 1 addition & 1 deletion gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
    (Source document)[http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt]
    Markdown formatted version of the (http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt)[plain text source document]

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================
  7. ddossot revised this gist Sep 5, 2012. 1 changed file with 2 additions and 0 deletions.
    2 changes: 2 additions & 0 deletions gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
    (Source document)[http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FD3xe6Jt]

    Don't use MongoDB
    =================

  8. ddossot created this gist Nov 6, 2011.
    196 changes: 196 additions & 0 deletions gistfile1.md
    Original file line number Diff line number Diff line change
    @@ -0,0 +1,196 @@
    Don't use MongoDB
    =================

    I've kept quiet for awhile for various political reasons, but I now
    feel a kind of social responsibility to deter people from banking
    their business on MongoDB.

    Our team did serious load on MongoDB on a large (10s of millions
    of users, high profile company) userbase, expecting, from early good
    experiences, that the long-term scalability benefits touted by 10gen
    would pan out. We were wrong, and this rant serves to deter you
    from believing those benefits and making the same mistake
    we did. If one person avoid the trap, it will have been
    worth writing. Hopefully, many more do.

    Note that, in our experiences with 10gen, they were nearly always
    helpful and cordial, and often extremely so. But at the same
    time, that cannot be reason alone to supress information about
    the failings of their product.

    Why this matters
    ----------------

    Databases must be right, or as-right-as-possible, b/c database
    mistakes are so much more severe than almost every other variation
    of mistake. Not only does it have the largest impact on uptime,
    performance, expense, and value (the inherit value of the data),
    but data has *inertia*. Migrating TBs of data on-the-fly is
    a massive undertaking compared to changing drcses or fixing the
    average logic error in your code. Recovering TBs of data while
    down, limited by what spindles can do for you, is a helpless
    feeling.

    Databases are also complex systems that are effectively black
    boxes to the end developer. By adopting a database system,
    you place absolute trust in their ability to do the right thing
    with your data to keep it consistent and available.

    Why is MongoDB popular?
    -----------------------

    To be fair, it must be acknowledged that MongoDB is popular,
    and that there are valid reasons for its popularity.

    * It is remarkably easy to get running
    * Schema-free models that map to JSON-like structures
    have great appeal to developers (they fit our brains),
    and a developer is almost always the individual who
    makes the platform decisions when a project is in
    its infancy
    * Maturity and robustness, track record, tested real-world
    use cases, etc, are typically more important to sysadmin
    types or operations specialists, who often inherit the
    platform long after the initial decisions are made
    * Its single-system, low concurrency read performance benchmarks
    are impressive, and for the inexperienced evaluator, this
    is often The Most Important Thing

    Now, if you're writing a toy site, or a prototype, something
    where developer productivity trumps all other considerations,
    it basically doesn't matter *what* you use. Use whatever
    gets the job done.

    But if you're intending to really run a large scale system
    on Mongo, one that a business might depend on, simply put:

    Don't.

    Why not?
    --------

    **1. MongoDB issues writes in unsafe ways *by default* in order to
    win benchmarks**

    If you don't issue getLastError(), MongoDB doesn't wait for any
    confirmation from the database that the command was processed.
    This introduces at least two classes of problems:

    * In a concurrent environment (connection pools, etc), you may
    have a subsequent read fail after a write has "finished";
    there is no barrier condition to know at what point the
    database will recognize a write commitment
    * Any unknown number of save operations can be dropped on the floor
    due to queueing in various places, things outstanding in the TCP
    buffer, etc, when your connection drops of the db were to be KILL'd or
    segfault, hardware crash, you name it

    **2. MongoDB can lose data in many startling ways**

    Here is a list of ways we personally experienced records go missing:

    1. They just disappeared sometimes. Cause unknown.
    2. Recovery on corrupt database was not successful,
    pre transaction log.
    3. Replication between master and slave had *gaps* in the oplogs,
    causing slaves to be missing records the master had. Yes,
    there is no checksum, and yes, the replication status had the
    slaves current
    4. Replication just stops sometimes, without error. Monitor
    your replication status!

    **3. MongoDB requires a global write lock to issue any write**

    Under a write-heavy load, this will kill you. If you run a blog,
    you maybe don't care b/c your R:W ratio is so high.

    **4. MongoDB's sharding doesn't work that well under load**

    Adding a shard under heavy load is a nightmare.
    Mongo either moves chunks between shards so quickly it DOSes
    the production traffic, or refuses to more chunks altogether.

    This pretty much makes it a non-starter for high-traffic
    sites with heavy write volume.

    **5. mongos is unreliable**

    The mongod/config server/mongos architecture is actually pretty
    reasonable and clever. Unfortunately, mongos is complete
    garbage. Under load, it crashed anywhere from every few hours
    to every few days. Restart supervision didn't always help b/c
    sometimes it would throw some assertion that would bail out a
    critical thread, but the process would stay running. Double
    fail.

    It got so bad the only usable way we found to run mongos was
    to run haproxy in front of dozens of mongos instances, and
    to have a job that slowly rotated through them and killed them
    to keep fresh/live ones in the pool. No joke.

    **6. MongoDB actually once deleted the entire dataset**

    MongoDB, 1.6, in replica set configuration, would sometimes
    determine the wrong node (often an empty node) was the freshest
    copy of the data available. It would then DELETE ALL THE DATA
    ON THE REPLICA (which may have been the 700GB of good data)
    AND REPLICATE THE EMPTY SET. The database should never never
    never do this. Faced with a situation like that, the database
    should throw an error and make the admin disambiguate by
    wiping/resetting data, or forcing the correct configuration.
    NEVER DELETE ALL THE DATA. (This was a bad day.)

    They fixed this in 1.8, thank god.

    **7. Things were shipped that should have never been shipped**

    Things with known, embarrassing bugs that could cause data
    problems were in "stable" releases--and often we weren't told
    about these issues until after they bit us, and then only b/c
    we had a super duper crazy platinum support contract with 10gen.

    The response was to send up a hot patch and that they were
    calling an RC internally, and then run that on our data.

    **8. Replication was lackluster on busy servers**

    Replication would often, again, either DOS the master, or
    replicate so slowly that it would take far too long and
    the oplog would be exhausted (even with a 50G oplog).

    We had a busy, large dataset that we simply could
    not replicate b/c of this dynamic. It was a harrowing month
    or two of finger crossing before we got it onto a different
    database system.

    **But, the real problem:**

    You might object, my information is out of date; they've
    fixed these problems or intend to fix them in the next version;
    problem X can be mitigated by optional practice Y.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't matter.

    The real problem is that so many of these problems existed
    in the first place.

    Database developers must be held to a higher standard than
    your average developer. Namely, your priority list should
    typically be something like:

    1. Don't lose data, be very deterministic with data
    2. Employ practices to stay available
    3. Multi-node scalability
    4. Minimize latency at 99% and 95%
    5. Raw req/s per resource

    10gen's order seems to be, #5, then everything else in some
    order. #1 ain't in the top 3.

    These failings, and the implied priorities of the company,
    indicate a basic cultural problem, irrespective of whatever
    problems exist in any single release: a lack of the requisite
    discipline to design database systems businesses should bet on.

    Please take this warning seriously.